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Tuesday, April 27, 2010

Asphalt tracking on commercial-grade carpet


Asphalt tracking on
commercial-grade carpet

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Below are some photos so you can see the problem.

The first photo shows the carpet before cleaning.

 
The second after cleaning... but you can easily
see the yellow tracking, especially where
the tile floor transitions to carpet:

Here are some comments from the bulletin board. If you have a good solution, Dutch Touch Inc. would like to hear from you.

RE: Yellow traffic lanes... do you have a solution?: Barbara Middleton: 4/13/2010 2:23:32 PM


When we encap we use Releasit DS and it does the job.

On residential style carpet we use sodium percarbonate in our prespray. Sometimes Fels-Naptha scrubbed in does the trick.

Matt

RE: Yellow traffic lanes... do you have a solution?: Jim Pemberton: 4/13/2010 5:47:22 PM

I've had good success with products containing sodium percarbonate and encapsulants as well.

 RE: Yellow traffic lanes... do you have a solution?: Kirk Saiger: 4/13/2010 6:20:40 PM

I repeat what Matt stated.

Use encap of choice on commercial and residential is boosted with powdered peroxide.

A solvent booster is also added to the mixture along with the peroxide for the oily soils such as calcium chloride or asphalt trackoff.

Some confuse this with that burst of BHT yellowing we were hit with in the 90's and use "yellow removers" or citric acid to no avail.
RE: Yellow traffic lanes... do you have a solution?: Fred Geyen: 4/13/2010 10:16:35 PM

The best results we have ever gotten are with Syon-5 the product put out by Tandus. I think it is the Tea Tree oil in it. We have used "pads" when using it.

Very good results.

RE: Yellow traffic lanes... do you have a solution?: Scott Warrington: 4/14/2010 10:37:09 AM

Olefin will be the worst. Nylon responds much better.

Solvents in the prespray or solvents boosters along with very hot water help.

But as other state, encapsulation and/or peroxide boosters often produce the best appearance.

Some of the new encapsulation products with oxygen boosters include such as Grrom Solutions Peroxicap and Bridgepoint's Encapuclean O2 work really well on yellow from asphalt tracking.

Frequent cleaning to remove the discoloration before it gets too severe or becomes oxidized is beneficial. I would definitely try to sell clients on frequent cleanings if this is a likely happening.

Scott Warrington

Technical Support

Interlink Supply / Bridgepoint Systems

RE: Yellow traffic lanes... do you have a solution?: Ivan Day: 4/14/2010 1:44:36 PM

We had an issue with asphalt tracked all over the C&A carpet. It was black. Many companies had been in to try to fix the problem and did not have a good outcome.

We took a large coffee urn filled it with water and heated up the water. Then we filled the battery sprayer adding 4 oz of Procyon to each gallon of water and pre sprayed the fiber cleaned an area teaching the custodian how to solve the issue with out the extra cost of additional cleaning products. This took care of the problem.

RE: Yellow traffic lanes... do you have a solution?: Lee Stockwell: 4/14/2010 3:44:08 PM

Most TMs get the water hotter than you could with a coffee urn, because water's boiling point is higher under pressure.

That being said, I don't believe heat is as important as is using the right chemical.

RE: Yellow traffic lanes... do you have a solution?: Terry Brevik: 4/14/2010 9:11:23 PM

little rotobrite helps

RE: Yellow traffic lanes... do you have a solution?: James Ladwig: 4/15/2010 9:58:28 AM

Scampoo and peroxide bonnet clean.

RE: Yellow traffic lanes... do you have a solution?: Dale Collins: 4/16/2010 10:46:47 AM
Hi guys:


If you have a sure cure for asphalt track-off, please post any photos. I've been involved in some serious inspections of this, that turned into replacements, and would like to have something to recommend that really works. All of the above were tried, but not by me personally.


Oh, and Jeff picked right the color. It seems that it always worse on a pale blue or grey. Which makes sence because of the lack of yellow.

Up until now, I have just been perfecting my presentation, on why you can expect nothing to always work.

Sincerely,

Dale

RE: Yellow traffic lanes... do you have a solution?: Fred Geyen: 4/16/2010 11:46:14 AM

Yes Dale I agree with you that it is about the color wheel which helps explain the Blue & Grey being biggest problem.

You say all methods above were tried. Really? Did they (at the inspections) have Syon-5 as I found it to really work well on many but not all carpets with the yellowing.

Question to you Dale. Who/what was the outcome of some of these type of inspections.?

RE: Please if there's a Miracle Chemical?: Dale Collins: 4/16/2010 12:13:59 PM

Hi Fred:

I'm not the best to ask about this. I only do very minor repairs and cleanings. I just refer the problem to the mill, who then typically sends out thier favorite local cleaner. And when I check back I only know what I've been told. I do not know that all brand chemicals have been tried, only the above processes.

The mills should be the "authorities" on it. And I have talked with their technical people, and have heard them "give up" when it comes to asphalt tracking. I also know of a couple cases where they paid for carpet replacement. But most of the time it is written as a exception in their warranties.

And, on one case after all the above was tried, I personally used "dry solvents" on a cut out sample of asphalt walkoffed carpet that I did not have to worry about delaminating, and cleaned until there was no more transfer on a white towel, and it still looked yellow.

I'm also pretty sure that if there were a "miracle" chemical, the company who makes it would hold a unique patent and the mills would acknowledge there's no longer a problem.

Sincerely,

Dale

RE: Yellow traffic lanes... do you have a solution?: Terry Brevik: 4/16/2010 7:22:53 PM

argosheen

RE: Yellow traffic lanes... do you have a solution?: Jim Pemberton: 4/17/2010 9:32:30 AM

There is no miracle product, only products and processes that "lessen the intensity of the discoloration". It also depends on what product left the oily residue, how long it was on the carpet before you had a chance to clean the carpet etc.

In some ways, its like red dye removers. Try one on a one year old stain resistant nylon that's never been "attacked" your customers' attempts to "help" and they'll all seem good.

Try one on a 20 year old nylon that's been doused with everything from Resolve to Oxy clean, and you'll not be as impressed.

Yellow traffic lane remediation is much the same.

RE: Yellow traffic lanes... do you have a solution?: Terry Brevik: 4/17/2010 4:34:39 PM

problem is explaining this to the customer so they under stand.

End of posting...

I hope you enjoyed that and learned something... and feel free to write back with your own solution to this cleaning challenge.

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